I see this as an insult to Hillary

by TruthMatters, Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:08:31 PM EST

You know through out the primary I said, I was ready for a woman in the white house just not THIS woman.

but Hillary earned my respect and by the end I was hoping Obama WOULD pick her because i felt she deserved to shatter that ceiling it was hers. but in the end she was not picked.

and now Palin stands in line to get Hillary's legacy? and why does Palin get it? is it because she struggled and strived to get where Hillary was? is it because she is also a strong experienced Politician who has earned 18 million votes?

no she will shatter that ceiling because McCain wants to win and is hoping enough women, will only see Palins anatomny.

I was really hoping for Hillary in 2012 (if god forbid Obama loses) or hopefulyl in 2016, the Thought that the first Woman President or Vice President will NOT be because a woman fought up and claimed it, but because McCain is hoping enough women will only think with thie ovaries,

I am seriously just heart broken that this woman will potentially take Hillary's spot in history, I just can't believe that pander like this would work, but I just don't know.

I think she is a great person and I thought she had a great future, but to take this away from Hillary because she is a woman, and hey Hillary is a woman, whats the difference?

well they cemented my support for Hillary today.




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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 2)

An insult ... I like that angle.  That may have legs in many quarters.   That thinking could keep Democratic women in the fold and bring them home to Obama, if they haven't come home already.


by RichardFlatts on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:14:07 PM EST

I wouldn't worry too much. (2.00 / 8)

As much as I think that Palin is a credible threat, Democratic women just saw Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton tag-team the first two nights of the DNCC; if they're not onboard after that, they ain't gettin' onboard.

Palin's threat is to independant and Republican women that are turned off by McCain's crustiness.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:19:14 PM EST
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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 1)

This is absolutely going to bring the rest of the Clinton Democrats home.

That's why the trolls are swarming the blogs today, trying to drum up support for Palin.


"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008
by BobzCat on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:50:47 PM EST
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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 6)

and ofcourse over at Alegre's corner they are excited yes! a Woman VP!!

so I gotta ask once again, was all this about electing Hillary, or were people right was it only about getting a Woman, ANY woman up there?


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:28:04 PM EST

Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 6)

Someone ask Alegre if there are any "Marvelous Apes" in Alaska raping women?  John McCain thinks its funny.  Maybe they can change up the joke a bit and reference instead to "Marvelous Grizzlies".

John McCain thinks its okay because he was a POW and has a maverick temper to call his wife a c*** and joke about a teenage Chelsea Clinton being ugly.

He is a monster.

But, hey. Whatever. He's white.  


I will wear my heart upon my sleeve For daws to peck at
by Iago on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:40:44 PM EST
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Crazy thing (2.00 / 4)

These are the same people that tore apart Sebelius as a VP choice because she wasn't Clinton.

They're simply incoherant.  Or Republican trolls.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:49:39 PM EST
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Re: Crazy thing (2.00 / 4)

As I mentioned above, I "subjected myself" to a good lot of reading of PUMA sites to kind of wrap my head around what they're saying.  I did not think, until today, that any of them were closet Republicans.  

in one particular thread discussing Palin, one person struck me as a serious source of reason (Jjc something) ... she was basically saying, "Hey guys, wait a second, this isn't the sort of person I want, she's not at all my kind of politics."  Some of them were actually fine with 4 more years of Republican rule if that meant Palin vs. Clinton in 2012.... Nevermind that we're (seriously!) one justice away from abortion being flipped back to the states.  Or contraception outlawed.  Privacy rights erased.  

I don't think that people really appreciate how much we are really teetering on the knife's edge of being back in the 1950's with respect to women's rights.


by doss on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:24:12 PM EST
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Re: Crazy thing (2.00 / 2)

I "subjected myself" a few minutes ago too, and saw the closest thing to a schism I've seen so far at Alegre's troll cave (it's weird, by the way, to see a site where the primary contributers seem to be the trolls. I felt like I was being led by Virgil's ghost through some new circle of hell for people who abuse the anonymity of the internet). A couple of people expressed that they were leaning back toward democrat over the Palin choice. Someone called "grlpatriot" or something immediately started yelling at them to get the f*ck out and take it to dkos, you f*cking f*cks. Or something. I kind of doubt "grlpatriot" is legitimately either a girl or a patriot.


Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -Voltaire
by kydoc2 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:16:21 PM EST
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Re: Crazy thing (2.00 / 1)

GrlPatriot posts here, or sounds like the same one.

She is just about Obama hate, not the democratic party, not Senator Clinton.


On Nov 4th, we elected "the smart guy" and the world celebrated!
by WashStateBlue on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:35:44 PM EST
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Re: Crazy thing (2.00 / 2)

Sibelius had more qualifications than this one by a whole lot. This one is tooting the horn that she's a proper substitute for Hillary, and that is what her function in McCain's campaign is, the only function since teh base will like the anti liberal women's positions and she doesn't have any other which will bother them. You don't need them in Alaska.

The fact that she so plainly gets the 'no' in all the same campaign questions asked of Obama and Hillary, commander in chief on day one, etc, is both a wonderful R mocking of the entire idea of Hillary, since any female substitute regardles of cred is seen as an adequate substitute in the minds of what they hope is enough angry and gullible women to get them elected, and an admission  that the question was not real in the first place, because this is the best they can throw up there.


by Christy1947 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:53:33 PM EST
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Sorry, I have been there too (none / 0)

and you are wrong....
NOT ALL who post there are happy....a few are but please do not false generalize.
by Jjc2008 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 08:37:44 PM EST
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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 3)

If this is the way a woman is first elected to the executive branch, then I believe this is an apt analogy:

It's like letting your running back drive you 99 yards down the field, and then letting your second string QB sneak it in from the 1.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:35:40 PM EST

Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 4)

Even the most transparently fake fly will hook the right kind of fish:

His speech and Palin's are pitch-perfect (4.00 / 1)
they get what has been bugging us about Obama. This is amazing.
by: catfish @ Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:50:19 AM CDT

I am not a crook!
by username on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:38:16 PM EST

Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 4)

exactly, you see people jumping online saying I saw the news, ITS A WOMAN ITS A WOMAN!!!, ah whats her name? yeah yeah her ITS A WOMAN!!!!

whats her policy? what who cares

ITS A WOMAN!!!


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:41:49 PM EST
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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 2)

Some of them even think Palin is pro-choice.  What planet are they living on?


by Skaje on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:58:22 PM EST
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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 1)

The one where McCain is both "pro-choice" and "moderate."  Unfortunately, many people live on that planet.


I am not a crook!
by username on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:41:40 PM EST
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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (none / 0)

Catfish is back?


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:33:18 PM EST
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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 2)

This was a quote from alegre's joint, but I think gatoPescado hangs here from time to time.


I am not a crook!
by username on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:35:26 PM EST
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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 1)

I think gatopescado is booted, too, after calling Todd a "fratboy" and accusing the DNC of "date rape"


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:08:55 PM EST
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If you are gonna jump ship. (2.00 / 2)

Do it and get out.

McSame's ideas will hurt America. He needs to be stop. You can put make up on a pig, or frosting on shit, its still a pig and shit.


by IowaMike on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 01:57:35 PM EST

Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 4)

If McCain was absolutely sure he needed a woman VP, then why not someone with more experience, like Linda Lingle, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Susan Collins, Elizabeth Dole, or Olympia Snowe?

No, he went with the younger, prettier woman.  Experience be damned!


by TheUnknown285 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:01:42 PM EST

Affirmative Action (none / 0)

There was no qualified pro-life woman in the Republican Party, so McCain had to resort to affirmative action. Palin does not have the experience of Hillary, nor does she have the political talent that Obama has.

This is pure politics and affirmative action.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:48:55 PM EST
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In fact, Obama has 12 years of (2.00 / 1)

legislative experience. Palin has like.. 2.
Palin also has NO foreign policy experience.

I supported Hillary on the merits.

this is just blatant tokenism on McCain's part

I know Hillary Clinton, and Palin is NO Hillary Clinton. I did not intern for Hillary's Senate Office in DC because of her name, her gender, her state. I campaigned for her because I saw her in action all those years ago, and most of us who remember the 90s grew up with her as our feminist icon.

I dont have anything against Palin because I dont know her. But i disagree with everything she stands for, because they stand in the way of everything Hillary has fought for in her life.

As of just 24 months ago, Palin agreed with Obama's plan. Now it's been scrubbed from her website.
See Cached version:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:wbC GTUeD1r0J:www.gov.state.ak.us/news.php%3 Fid%3D1384+palin,+obama,+energy&hl=e n&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us


by iamold on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:05:36 PM EST
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Re: Affirmative Action (none / 0)

Yeah, the republicans have always supported affirmative action.
This is about as sexist a choice as McCain could make.
He picked a young, beautiful inexperienced woman instead of a much more qualified and experienced choice like Kay Bailey Hutchison or Olympia Snowe.
Women who have serious credibility versus a former beauty queen who has been governor for 19 months of a state with lots and lots of oil revenues and 670,000 people.
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:31:34 PM EST
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Did you notice McCain fondling his (2.00 / 1)

wedding ring while she was talking? Yes, he did, yes he did! And I can't be sure, since the angle was wrong and too close for surety, but it sure seemed like he spent some time noticing her backside-- or some part of her anatomy. But I may have gone too far with that, he may have been looking at the floor or something else, and if any of you can (in fairness and decency) show that I'm wrong I will cheerfully retract that observation.

BUT-- never underestimate your enemy. Palin may indeed cause us problems, primarily by energizing Republicans/Independents who might otherwise have stayed at home. Today all the air was temporarily sucked out of the Obama campaign as far as the media is concerned, and the McCain campaign gained youth, energy and a certain amount of glamour. And Palin is no dummy.

Superficially, she was the perfect choice and she could spell danger. It's up to us Democrats to make sure it comes to naught.


by Swedie on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:40:20 PM EST
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Re: Did you notice McCain fondling his (none / 0)

Yea I noticed it too!! he was STARING at her backside for 10-15 seconds... I guess he is still young at habits..


by Fistjab on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:46:42 PM EST
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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 1)

Anyone want to take wagers on how many hours it is until the first bathing suit photo from those beauty contests is published. Gee, I wish I didn't have to look at a campaign bio that lists her being Miss Wasilla and a runner up to Miss Alaska right up on top. Geez. I didn't support women candidates to have to do this.


by Christy1947 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:59:42 PM EST
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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 8)

LOL, been reading the talkleft comments, and there's a lot of appreciation there, sentiment along the lines of "at least McCain actually wants my vote".  Because when Obama picks Biden, the man who created the Violence Against Women Act, it's a snub.  But when McCain picks an anti-choice conservative who happens to be a woman, it's a good thing.

I'm not kidding.  They've completely lost it.  They're going to transfer their Hillary fixation onto Palin.

From alegre's site:

McCain/Palin in 2008, Hillary in 2012!

LOL.  More like McCain serves one term, and Palin beats Hillary.  What a bunch of short-sighted idiots.


by Skaje on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:05:27 PM EST

Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 1)

yeah I know, hey you know we will put her in the White house for 4 years, THEN we will argue experience to get Hillary?

I have no clue what they are thinking and really didn't know they had invested THIS much that they seriously think that McCain Palin can win in 08, and then some how Hillary can beat her in '12


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:11:28 PM EST
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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 2)

It's like its a game to them and issues and policies mean nothing.  They are going to play it like a game and watch millions of hardworking Americans suffer for their childish fixation.


by Ruckus on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:35:26 PM EST
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Those people do not love Hillary (2.00 / 3)

They do not love what Hillary stands for, what she has fought for her entire adult life, and worst of all they do not love their country. If they did, they could not vote for someone who so directly, incorrigably opposes Hillary's deeply held convictions.

They love only themselves, their own feelings and the idea of a female-- any female-- in the White House. They are a disgrace, in my not very humble opinion, and should be dusted from our consideration like dandruff off a shoulder. Their support for Hillary was a sham.

Oh, did I mention that sometimes I can be very opinionated?


by Swedie on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:57:04 PM EST
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Stop reading that stuff (2.00 / 5)

Seriously, so-called Dem women who want to support McCain simply because he chose a woman vp are not Democrats any longer.

There aren't many of them and they won't have much influence on this election, they're only going to rile you up.

I'm a feminist Dem woman who supported Clinton, now supports Obama and am not about to vote GOP, not even if you tie me up, torture me and light my hair on fire.  Ain't gonna happen.

Every other Dem woman I know feels the same way. Don't worry about it.


by Betsy McCall on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:05:08 PM EST
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Re: Stop reading that stuff (none / 0)

The men don't know but the women understand.  But I don't begrudge them needing to reassure themselves.

Guys, seriously, this is a complete nonstarter.  Besides, she's running right smack into the old taboo of the older more experienced person (Hillary, Hutchinson, just about every other woman on the fucking planet) getting passed over for the winner of the beauty contest.

If you go to those sites, don't be surprised to find people saying it's a great idea.  They're TRYING to psych themselves into voting for McCain.  For everyone else, this is a lead balloon.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 07:30:03 PM EST
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Re: Stop reading that stuff (none / 0)

Agreed.  It is a rather small group I imagine.  I'm feeling much more optimistic about November now, especially after hearing about some of Palin's really nutty positions (for creationism in public schools, against abortion even in case of rape, etc.)

It is best to avoid websites like those, but sometimes it's hard to look away.


by Skaje on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:12:20 PM EST
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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 2)

I'd love to see Hillary take on the Palin attack dog role.  


by geverend on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:22:53 PM EST

This is an Affirmative Action Pick (2.00 / 1)

Palin does not have nearly the experience that Hillary does, nor does she have the political talent that Obama has. This pick was done totally for political reasons. This is an affirmative action pick.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 02:46:04 PM EST

Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 3)

McCAin just pick the A VP that will assure that Bill and Hillary go all in to stop Mcain from getting to the Whitehouse.


by Ruckus on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 03:32:59 PM EST

Re: This is so transparent. (1.33 / 3)

So many people who gleefully trashed Hillary Clinton and her supporters during the primaries are now so very anguished about her place in history being usurped.  You're only thinking of Clinton and her supporters, who are in grave danger of being manipulated by  McCain.  Well, McCain's choice IS an obvious pander and it IS insulting to Hillary's supporters, and so is your phony concern.


by half nelson on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:10:10 PM EST

Aww, all the trolls came home! How *sweet*! (2.00 / 1)

Hi!  Welcome back to MyDD!

You will find the "go fuck yourself" on the table at the side of the room, and if you are still determined to undermine the Democratic ticket there is a whole bowl full of "eat shit" at the back of the room.

Please help yourselves!


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:20:23 PM EST

Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (2.00 / 3)

This Hillary dem is now for Obama. John McCain just slapped us all in the face today with this pick of a women (no offense Mrs.Palin but you have no business mentioning 18 million cracks). Sorry but I always though this post or the POTUS would go to a Democrat. She's no Hillary and she certainly is no Michelle Obama. I am so angry today!


by Iceblinkjm on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:50:22 PM EST

Very good point (2.00 / 2)

Of course its an insult to Hillary, running a less experienced woman and pretending as if she is elevated to the same stature as Hillary simply because they put her on the ticket.

Let's try to remember this.


by Betsy McCall on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 04:58:27 PM EST

Re: Very good point (none / 0)

Hillary played a very large part in getting the GOP to run a woman for VP.

How is that anything but a tribute to her greatness?


by dtaylor2 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:05:45 PM EST
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Re: Very good point (2.00 / 2)

They didn't run one, you twit. They appointed one. There is no woman in that party who did or could have made the primary run.


by Christy1947 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:22:51 PM EST
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Re: Very good point (none / 0)

Yeah, it's great that the Republican base has come to the point where they can support a woman in the primary. I mean, the hardest choice was which of the many women in the Republican primary to support...


by Cincinnatus on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:26:47 PM EST
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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (none / 0)

Sorry, but even Hillary Clinton does not see this as an insult to Hillary.


by MMR2 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 07:26:34 PM EST

Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (none / 0)

Yeah, I'm sure she's totally cool with the Governor Whatsherface borrowing her speech lines and her piggybacking on her legacy.

Remember how nominating a woman who wasn't Hillary Clinton was a touchy subject?  Now, imagine if not only had Obama done that, but that person then went and unilaterally crowned herself Hillary Clinton's heir.  Imagine Kathleen Sebelius saying "Hillary Clinton spoke of 18 million cracks.  Well, this isn't over yet!  Get on board!"

Oh, also, in my scenario, Kathleen Sebelius is a fundamentalist.

Really, I don't know why you guys are making such a big deal out of this.  ...rolls eyes...


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 07:40:16 PM EST
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Re: I see this as an insult to Hillary (none / 0)

It's an insult to any woman who has ever worked hard to work her way up in politics (or anything else for that matter). Selecting Ms. Palin is a choice of pandering. Hey! Look! She's not qualified but she has a vagina! So what if she has no foreign policy experience, governs a state smaller than many cities....she's pretty, she can talk and chew gum at the same time, she has a vagina!


by royce on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 07:41:15 PM EST

I have said this in threads here (none / 0)

on TalkLeft and I even went over to dkos to say so.

I was kind of badgered and insulted here and other places for saying Sebelius or Caskill as Obama's vp choice would be an insult. I still feel that way.  Hillary has done all the work, and so have women like Hillary (older, accomplished women who took non-traditional paths when few did)....so since Hillary was available she DESERVED, WORKED FOR, SHOULD HAVE BEEN HONORED WITH THE PICK.

BUT it is even MORE of an insult for people to think that this woman should get the honor of being the first woman on a winning presidential ticket.  The right wing has NOT supported issues that make things better for women.......and there is NO WAY a republican, conservative woman should ever beat the millions of liberal women who worked all our lives for change.


by Jjc2008 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 08:32:24 PM EST


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