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Why I may never support Hillary

by aiko, Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 01:39:04 PM EST

I think that the biggest reason I can't support Hillary is Bill.

I am a long time Clinton supporter. I worked on his campaign in 1992 and remember that joyful feeling when was elected. I supported and loved him through thick and thin. I defended him to his very last day in office. I thought he was a good president. I like him to this day however I will never forgive him for what he did to damage the democratic party. His infidelity and lies are unforgivable. It wasn't just a little white lie--his lies were illegal.

If not for a blue dress Gore would be president.

So it is difficult for me to read the news of him criticizing the Libby pardon. Libby was about to go to jail for his lies. Didn't Bill Clinton lie to the FBI just like Libby? Or was it the grand jury? Or was it both? I forget. I only remember that he lied--he broke the law and did what all of us teach our children never to do. He lied.

I don't care who Bill pardoned--or who Bush will pardon. It is their prerogative.

But I can't get past Bill's infidelity and lies. I can't forgive the lies. I will never forget when my son and I were watching a news clip. He was about 10 years old. The story was about Martha Stewart going to prison and he asked me what she did. After I explained he said," Oh you mean she lied? Like President Clinton?"

All I could do was say yes, she lied--like Bill Clinton lied.

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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

So, you are holding Bill's cheatin' against his wife?

Doesn't seem quite right to blame the woman for the husband's cheatin', but to each his own, I guess.

by hwc on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 01:42:00 PM EST

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If I wasn't clear, its not just the infidelity. But I don't see how he is any different than Scooter Libby. They both lied to the FBI and to a Grand Jury. That is a felony.

Doesn't everyone have a problem with that? The reason that impeachment went as far as it did, wasn't only the 90s right wing witch hunt, they had a felony to hang their hat on.

Clinton put his own wants/needs/ego over that of the country.

by aiko on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 01:57:40 PM EST
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Clinton lied about the BJ in a civil lawsuit deposition.

There was no "FBI" and no "grand jury". Getting a BJ is not a crime in most states.

by hwc on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:03:32 PM EST
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Wrong. He lied before a Grand Jury on August 17, 1998. You are right the initial lie was in a deposition for a civil lawsuit. He may have obstructed justice by encouraging Monica to lie. He lost his law license in Arkansas as a result of these crimes and misdemeanors. He was impeached by the House of Representatives. This wasn't just political--there were laws broken.

He could have told the truth. It is an option.

by aiko on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:31:13 PM EST
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Clinton did not deny inappropriate sexual contact when he testified before Ken Starr's witch hunt grand jury. Transcripts and video of his full testimony were released by the Republicans in the Senate. You can find his testimony on the web.

As you know, Ken Starr never brought any charges against the President.

The Republican Congress did. Both articles of impeachment were not upheld by the Senate.

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This is all old news. The country was sick of it in 1999 and is sick of it today. The Republicans took a beating for the impeachment procedings...as did several of their Congressional members who were sullied with their own adultery.

I think the country is sophisticated enough to not really want to know about a President's sex life. Not today. Not when JFK was fooling around.

by hwc on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:55:51 PM EST
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sick of it--exactly--we are all sick of it and that is why we don't want to go down the road named clinton.

by aiko on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 03:00:59 PM EST
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Lying about a blowjob is one thing. It's wrong I agree. He got punished, only the second president to ever be impeached.

Libby not only lied but also obstructed the investigation of a leak within the White House who disclosed the identity of a CIA agent.

One was a blowjob...

One was blowing a top secret agent's identity for political reasons...

Though both are wrong they are not even in the same dimension as far as morality.

(PS. it's kind of funny to say that you aren't voting for Hillary because of Bush., lol)

by world dictator on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 04:01:41 PM EST
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actually (1.00 / 1)

in the south BJs violate many sodomy laws.

McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions

by TarHeel on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:45:59 PM EST
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Re: actually (none / 0)

Actually the Supreme Court struck down Sodomy Laws in Lawerence V Texas

by world dictator on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 03:57:49 PM EST
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The fact that we are talking about Bill's bj in 2007 is reason enough to Turn the Page! Hillary can't have it both ways, she can't drag Bill back onto the stage without bringing all the negatives that come with him. The stench is overwelliming and it a lot and it is bipartisan!

by jazzyjay on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 04:33:24 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (3.00 / 0)

Regardless of whether we talk about or not, the Republicans and Independents surely will, non-stop.

by William Domingo on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 05:46:42 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

Yes. Bill Clinton lied to a grand jury. What this has to do with his wife's skills as a civil servant is beyond me.

I support Obama, not Clinton, but this kind of ridiculous argument serves no one.

by Pope Jeremy on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:42:10 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

No. He did not lie to a grand jury.

by hwc on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:56:35 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/e-gov/e- politicalarchive-Clintonimpeach.htm

by aiko on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 03:01:32 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

What's that link supposed to mean?

Tell me what lie he told during the Grand Jury testimony.

by hwc on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 03:15:25 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

she has millions of other votes to take his place. GO HILLARY!!!!

by terry70 on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:19:07 PM EST
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"I am a long time Clinton supporter"

WOW, it's hard to tell based on this diary. Just exactly how are you a long time supporter, being as you can't get past Bill's infidelity and lies.

Really, who do you support?

by SF Bay on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 01:43:51 PM EST

Re: Why I may never support Hillary (3.00 / 1)

Unfortunately, there are alot of people who do feel this way. Let's be honest here. Bill Clinton went on TV and said he did not have relations with that woman. Then he went on national TV again, and said he made a horrible mistake. There is no way to spin this, it happened.

Now, for many who did support him, I for one was glad to see him go. He was nothing but a target for the right, and on the regular. And in some ways, for many, he left residue while Gore campaigned. But the final analysis was Gore, himself, who did not seal the deal.

I understand why the diarist wrote this, but it is nothing that we can do about it, but move on.

Finally, my mother constantly states she loves Bill Clinton. And she does, LITERALLY. But she also states that he disappointed her by his personal actions, that because very public. That was a darktime for Democrats. So, he is a double edge sword. But he is not running, Hillary is. And if she is the nominee, just be prepared for all this shit to come from back to front. And it will.

"I want my voice to be read"

by icebergslim on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 03:42:15 PM EST
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When Bill goes out on the Campaign trail and comments about Scooter Libby, then all of the Lewinsky affair will come up. It would have been better if he had not commented on the pardon. Also the Marc Rich pardon will come up as it has already. This is indeed the double edge sword.

by BDM on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 04:18:55 PM EST
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It already has, along with Roger Clinton. They should have just kept their mouths, closed, no comment.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19603636

"I want my voice to be read"

by icebergslim on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 05:19:52 PM EST
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The Republicans were talking about Clinton's perjury and pardons long before he ever opened his mouth to attack back.

It's all they've got. It's always "blame Bill Clinton". Heck, Guiliani tried to blame Bill Clinton for 9/11 last week.

by hwc on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 08:31:01 PM EST
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In this CNN 2000 Election day poll, when asked what the Clinton presidency would most be remebered in the History Books for, 29% said Leadership, and 68% said Scandals. Bill Clinton's Scandals and 60% "UNfavorable as a person" rating also turned voters off and made them vote against Gore, causing Gore to lose the election.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results /index.epolls.html

Clinton Fatigue Undermines Gore Poll Standing

Personal image problems and fallout from Clinton administration scandals are contributing to Al Gore's declining favorability ratings and his poor showing in early horse race polls. As the vice president has inched closer to the Democratic presidential nomination, his favorability ratings have fallen and he has slipped further behind GOP frontrunner George W. Bush in the horse race polls.

http://people-press.org/reports/display. php3?ReportID=65

by William Domingo on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 06:11:06 PM EST
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popcorn (none / 0)

"I am a long time Clinton supporter"

This is the most hilarious diary I've read on this blog.

Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?

by areyouready on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 01:45:00 PM EST

Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

don't go in this direction if nothing else the supreme court is at stake, and it's one of the reason I don't want to nominate by far the worst general elction candidate, Hillary (she has a 42% disapproval in NJ for gods sake) but if she is nominated we have to vote for her eevn if it's like eating brussel sprouts.

Obama! because 51% isn't enough!

by nevadadem on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 01:49:18 PM EST

Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

I am reluctant to go there but part of me will consider leaving the dem party if Hillary is the nominee. Not only because of Bill but also because I have held my nose and voted for dems one too many times.

by aiko on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:10:26 PM EST
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yeah but the the other part which is the important and realistic part will vote for the Dem candidate even if it's Hillary right? Because frankly that part of you that will consider leaving the dem party is not important.Nobody cares about that part because thats the evil karl rove trying to take over your mind

by bebe on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:15:49 PM EST
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or could it be the evil green party that is taking over my mind....

by aiko on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:25:12 PM EST
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Yeah either way they are both evil,and you will end up with a result you don't want,lets not forget a spoiler like nader was one of the reasons we have bush.Do you want to go down in history again.I bet you didn't vote for Al Gore because for you to still be in agony over Clinton's penis almost a decade later I don't see how you would have voted for Al Gore,so congratulations if you did.

by bebe on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:35:48 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

No Bebe, we will just work very hard to not have to face that outcome. If Billary goes down and takes the party with them, so much of what we care about goes away maybe forever.

by jazzyjay on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 04:39:02 PM EST
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i only repeat this because some people... (3.00 / 1)

don't get it. if hillary is the nominee, i won't be voting for her, on the principle that i've had enough of political royalty running the country and won't support another for president in the next 8 years. i am under no illusion that this view is widely shared...

"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton

by bored now on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 07:00:36 PM EST
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Re: i only repeat this because some people... (none / 0)

"if hillary is the nominee, i won't be voting for her"

Then you aren't a Democrat.

by DoIT on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 08:28:39 PM EST
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Re: i only repeat this because some people... (none / 0)

i work for and with democrats now. no one said i had to be one, if you need to define me that way. i'm completely comfortable with my position and any conclusion that you choose to draw from it. that's what happens when one assumes a principled position. it may not be popular, but at least my conscience is clear...

"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton

by bored now on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 09:45:07 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

How many times have you held your nose voting for Dems? Did you hold it for Gore? How about Bill Clinton? Were you holding your nose while you "worked on his campaign?"

This statement suggests that, contra your statement in the diary, you never really supported Bill Clinton. Forgive me if I suspect you are a concern troll.

by souvarine on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 03:21:34 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (3.00 / 1)

I understand why you feel the way you do, really I do. His lies to the country were horrible. But in my opinion this was a private affair between two adults and wasn't any grand jury's business. Of all the countless investigations by the republicans the only thing they got him on was lying about a blowjob. And while you may not want your child to know that you can place that responsibility solely on Ken Starr.

by DoIT on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 01:54:19 PM EST

Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

We can't change the past. We are stuck with it.

Their marriage is a sham. He has been actively sleeping around from the beginning and she has decided to accept it. I agree that is their private business--and if that is the way that they want to run their marriage it is up to them.

But when you run for president the rules are little different. We judge our elected leaders as much by their personal decisions as by their public ones.

by aiko on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:06:16 PM EST
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Really, I want to know, how exactly do you know their marriage is a sham? It seems to me you are just spouting some right wing talking points here.

by SF Bay on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:16:04 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

There is a lot stuff on their early days in the two books that just came out. There have been a lot of woman in Bill's life since he married Hillary. As far as I can tell the women are not denying the affairs. By a sham I meant in traditional terms. Hillary and Bill seem to have come to terms with his infidelity as part of their agreement, their marriage. I am not saying that they don't love each other--they obviously do. But acceptance seems to me the only way a woman could stay married to a guy like that. Most of us would exit stage left.

by aiko on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:23:06 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

Breaking news! Breaking news! Bill Clinton was a womanizer. I had no idea.

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BTW, if you "leave the Democratic Party" because you blame his wife for Bill's cheatin', where are you going?

The Republican Party? You like their candidates?

by hwc on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:28:56 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

Frankly I don't even now if it is in anybody's place to be judging on anybody's marriage much less call it a sham because a couple decides to stay together after a bad episode.I would expect that with the rate of divorcees in the country one less broken marriage is better.I think the diarist just has some unresolved with the clinton thing and their marriage,Hey the actual people involved Bill and Hillary have actual moved on and are doing quite well , i am shocked someone who wasn't impacted who probably has no idea what is going in the marriage is in a position to call the marriage so much and be so deeply hurt by clinton's infidelity,I really think thats sick.I suggest some form of therapy for anyone that thinks like that.

by bebe on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:25:15 PM EST
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call the marriage a sham ,sorry bad typo (none / 0)

by bebe on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:27:21 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

I definitely have unresolved issues...that is the point!

by aiko on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:34:04 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

I will suggest therapy.

by bebe on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:36:58 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

Hey this is just a suggestion,It's unhealthy to be so obsessed with someone else's marriage.It's quite alarming to me.There are other issues relevant to you in terms of affecting your life directly like public policy when it comes to politics,not other people's marriage.Frankly I don't care what state someone else's marriage is as long as i agree with their policies.So if you disagree with Hillary "Not Bill" on policy then you make valid arguments otherwise this diary is just not worth it.

by bebe on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:43:32 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

Frankly Bill had a lack of discipline, and most people don't want to think of him loose in the White House again. That doesn't mean his image is not dignified in any other setting, but not sleeping again in the White House. Lots of people who think his marriage, the quality and fidelity of it is between that couple, but aspects of their marriage problems became a national issue for a long time. It may not be the only thing that messed Gore up, but believe it, it didn't help him and it won't help us now. If she wanted to run on her own merit, she should have let him continue to help in the background, but she pulled him up and now everybody is talking again about his weaknesses, not his strengths.

by jazzyjay on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 04:47:20 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

About those personal decisions. Like the one to get a $400 haircut and then go out and campaign on how you're going to help the little people?

by SF Bay on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:18:16 PM EST
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as opposed to the $3000 (none / 0)

hillary spent on 2 stylings?

McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions

by TarHeel on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:47:19 PM EST
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Re: as opposed to the $3000 (none / 0)

is there any link you can provide? Just curious...I saw a few blogged comments, but no actual links to a factual account.

by SF Bay on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 03:00:13 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton proudly promotes herself as a champion of the middle class, and yet Bill Clinton went and got a $200 haircut. Does this bother you?

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/6/26/1845 45/260

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q =bill+clinton+haircut

by William Domingo on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 06:20:46 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

Oh, and the personal decision to let your campaign put out a smear piece on the opponent then 1) state you don't know anything about it and take responsibility it 2) but not fire those who put the hit piece out?

Is that like the personal responsibility Bush takes for things?

by SF Bay on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:21:05 PM EST
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You know I think your are somehow (3.00 / 1)

thinking in opposites.All you talked about was BILL,I thought your diary was about why you won't vote for Hillary.How does Bill's cheating translate to you not voting for Hillary.The appropriate title is WHY I MAY NOT VOTE FOR BILL>>

by bebe on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 01:56:02 PM EST

Re: You know I think your are somehow (1.00 / 0)

We do need smart asses like you on this board! LOL.

Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?

by areyouready on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:02:05 PM EST
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Re: You know I think your are somehow (none / 0)

You would expect the diarist will at least talk about Hillary's position or something.But all the diarist said was oh i hate Bill's penis so i may not voting for Hillary.That's a little disingenous.It is wrong to punish someone else for another person in my own opinion.You hold the person responsible for the act responsible not somebody else.

by bebe on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:08:15 PM EST
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Re: You know I think your are somehow (none / 0)

Yeah. I find you are really sharp to come down to the core of any issue. Sometimes it's just common sense, but on blogsphere, unfortunately, everything is becoming so twisted and complicated.

Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?

by areyouready on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:12:24 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

I'm not sure that this is the correct rational to not vote for Hillary. I mean, she is wrong on a bunch of issues - and I think fundamentally disagree with her political outlook.

"I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game." Barack Obama

by gb1437a on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:37:08 PM EST

Re: Never liked Bill either (none / 0)

Yeah, I never liked Bill either.

I never got over the way he raped Paul Tsongas in the primaries, taking a small section of Tsongas' book where he mentions means testing as a way to save Social Security, then telling all the old people that Tsongas wanted to destroy Social Security.

And the adultery was worse than "just a blowjob." He let the whole party down with his shenanigans. Hell, he let the whole country down. Certainly he killed Gore's chances.

I don't think I'd hold it against Hillary, but she should have divorced the dirtbag when she had the chance.

by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:45:24 PM EST

Re: Never liked Bill either (none / 0)

Hey how would you like it if i came into your house one day and told you to divorce your wife or husband.Is it in my place.

by bebe on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:51:57 PM EST
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Re: Never liked Bill either (none / 0)

Well, I'm not going to take it out on her, so maybe you're right.

Forget the last line of my screed and keep the rest.

by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 03:01:04 PM EST
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Re: Never liked Bill either (none / 0)

Well, he will never be one to talk about "morality", won't get that speech from him.

And his behavior was horrible. What I still have not forgiven him is the fact that he said "he did not have sex". And oral sex is not sex? Please.

Let's move past this. Clinton for me is a love/hate. Great hi's/low's. Just work for your candidate so you don't have to be subjective to another round of the "90's".

"I want my voice to be read"

by icebergslim on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 03:46:49 PM EST
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Re: Never liked Bill either (3.00 / 0)

Ha!

"That '90s Show"

by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 04:21:30 PM EST
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she should have divorced the dirtbag (none / 0)

Nah. She helped him cover it up. During the 92 campaign, it was her job "to destroy" (her words)all the women who came forward telling tales of what Bill had done to them. George Stephenopuolos tells all in his book, "All Too Human".

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s a=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=res ult&cd=1&q=George+Stephanopoulos +All+Too+Human&spell=1

by William Domingo on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 07:20:57 PM EST
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Re: she should have divorced the dirtbag (none / 0)

Yep. Our Hill is a tough cookie. I want a tough cookie in the White House. I think most Americans want their President to be a tough cookie.

by hwc on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 08:33:46 PM EST
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I want a tough cookie in the White House (3.00 / 1)

Sorry, but smearing people with lies if they dare tell the truth (and that's how they did it) is not what I want "in the White House".

by William Domingo on Fri Jul 06, 2007 at 04:53:57 PM EST
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Latest RFS Iowa poll shows a complete shakeup (none / 0)

Today's RFS poll turns the political world upside down. In a survey of 666 deadheads the results are astounding.

Hillary: 13%
Edwards: 13%
Obama: 13%
Richardson: 13%
Kucinich: 13%
Biden: 6%
Dodd: 6%
Gravel: 6%
Bill's Willie 17%

Yes folks, Bill's Willie is the nominee of choice for those crazy corn growing Iowa Democrats. Totally Rad, CEO of RFS (Really Frickin Stupid) Polls said this latest information like totally blew him away. "Now I know what it feels like to be just like Bill," Mr. Rad explained.

by DoIT on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:53:28 PM EST

lol , nice one (none / 0)

I can't understand the obsession with Bill's penis.I can't understand the obsession with his penis.Don't get me wrong,I think he is an attractive man and he might come close to my tush lol but i'll rather go with someone younger like Barack Obama.So my fellow diarist let go of Bill's penis.

by bebe on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 02:59:19 PM EST
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Re: lol , nice one (none / 0)

Yeah, Obama is a hottie.

"I want my voice to be read"

by icebergslim on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 03:47:26 PM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (3.00 / 1)

this diary is dumb. There are a lot of reasons to question her nomination- but this isn't oen of them.

by bruh21 on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 03:04:16 PM EST

Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

you don't believe that do you? With all the press following their every move? Is it just wishful thinking?

by SF Bay on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 03:11:54 PM EST

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Yeah, Maureen Dowd would be my first choice for reliable non-partisan information about the Clintons. Sure!

by DoIT on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 03:21:00 PM EST

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It's not like the press wasn't following him around when he was president.

Hopefully, the heart problems have slowed him down.

by Bush Bites on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 03:23:46 PM EST

Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

I think there are bigger issues in this race than something like that- this isn't just about Bill or Hillary- this about 8 years of republican criminal acts that will just continue if we do not stand fast against them.

by reasonwarrior on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 04:19:50 PM EST

Re: Why I may never support Hillary (none / 0)

aiko,

How can you be a "long-time Clinton supporter" and still be hung up on a scandal that went down 15 years ago? Not to drop the T-bomb or anything, but this diary smells.

P.S.--I would vote for the Democratic DONKEY if she were the nominee. The Rethugs are just that bad.

Toodeloo

by 1arryb on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 04:29:54 PM EST

Well, I guess you would have problems with FDR too (3.00 / 1)

FDR had a mistress all throughout his 4 term presidency. His wife Eleanor knew about his adultery and actually his mistress along with his children. Eleanor wasn't too happy about FDR's behavior but she dealt with it in her own way. FDR died with his mistress by his side. I say all that to say that I don't think that FDR's adultery had ANYTHING to do with his presidency. I think he was one of our greatest presidents despite his moral failings. His adultery was a human failing but not a disqualifier to become one of our greatest presidents EVER!! Frankly, I think your problems with Clinton's lying is really about his adultery.

But let's assume that your real problem with Clinton was b/c he lied. Well, he wasn't the only president to lie before the American people while in office. FDR lied quite frequently throughout his presidency. As did JFK, LBJ and the list goes on and on. Eric Alterman wrote a WHOLE book on the subject, called "When Presidents Lie: A History of Official Deception and Its Consequences"

http://www.amazon.com/When-Presidents-Li e-Deception-Consequences/dp/0670032093/r ef=sr_1_1/103-1359210-2671868?ie=UTF8&am p;s=books&qid=1183670772&sr=8-1

I would suggest that you and the other people that say that you can't vote for a politician b/c they lied read the book. Maybe once you see that presidents have lied TO THE PUBLIC in various ways throughout American history, you might be more understanding of how human these presidents are.

Third, I don't expect my president to be a role model or to provide moral guidance to me or any members of my family. If I want a role model, I can find him or her either in my own family or in my community. I don't need a president to act as my moral guardian, but others may feel differently.

Hey, if you feel like you can't vote for Hillary Clinton b/c of the actions of her husband, more power to you. That's one vote that Senator Clinton is going to have to make up in another way....

by ademption on Thu Jul 05, 2007 at 05:49:25 PM EST

jazzyjay wrote: (none / 0)

"Frankly Bill had a lack of discipline, and most people don't want to think of him loose in the White House again."

Who exactly are "most people"? If you take it upon yourself to speak for most people, then please identify who they are.

We are now 6 months into the campaign and whether Hillary holds onto her lead or not, there is no denying that, at this point in time, MOST Democrats in the country want Hillary to be our next President. Nobody is holding a gun to their heads when they are asked that question. Not only that, but Hillary also polls the highest when Dems are asked who their second choice is; and who has the best leadership skills; and the most experience.

Speak for yourself. Not for "most people".

by samueldem on Fri Jul 06, 2007 at 12:02:02 AM EST

Re: jazzyjay wrote: (none / 0)

HRC is polling at 30 - 35%. That is hardly representative of MOST DEMS. That my friend = one-third, not even close to MOST.

by aiko on Fri Jul 06, 2007 at 12:18:31 AM EST
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Re: jazzyjay wrote: (none / 0)

So you think the 52% negative rating comes from all Republicans and Independants? Then you turn around and say Most Democrats support her? I think you will see most of her positive polling is about early name recognition and this week as she put Bill on stage with her so that she can spark the excitement that she has not been able to bring to her candidacy without him, you will begin to see Dems wonder why they want all the negative attention Bill brings inserted in the 2008 election.

by jazzyjay on Fri Jul 06, 2007 at 04:47:22 AM EST
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Re: Why I may never support Hillary (3.00 / 1)

Bill's infidelity is his business. The court had no business asking him if he had an affair with Lewisnky. THat had no bearing on whether he was going to sexually harass someone like Paula Jones. I blame Bill for having such a lameass defense that they allowed such a question in court.

Bill is Hillary's biggest asset. Without Bill, Hillary would not even be a blip on the political scene. Bill afforded Hillary the chance to take 30 years to develop her charisma.

My problem with Bill was the way he advised Hillary in recent years regarding such issues as the Iraq war, his lack of enthusiasm in supporting Democratic progressives. But he has been a better family man than many so called family men who are monogomous during their marriages.

by Pravin on Fri Jul 06, 2007 at 09:52:04 AM EST

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